Jason Moran
Tuesday, July 25, 2006
  Get Rich Or Die Trying
50 Cent's first mainstream album title is what the average American spends much of their life trying to do. The rich seem to stay rich and the poor stay poor. I just read an article which talks about the "Ghetto Tax". What it basically talks about is how expensive it is to be poor. Insurance is higher, you pay premiums on mortgages and car loans, check cashing stations charge a 500% APR, rent-to-own places are a ridiculous rip off, the "hood" has no quality food stores, overdraught fees at banks are crazy expensive (and it's only the poor who are usually in trouble of overdraughting, making it a catch 22 that keeps you poor!).

The article: The High Cost of Being Poor

After reading the article I also noticed some great feedback that was thought provoking (Here are a few):

I'm white and well educated. I also spent six months six years ago living in a transient motel. I enjoy watching people and finding patterns and links. Here are a few:

1. The poor often make bad decisions, period. Having a TV seems to be a priority, and it better be big and with cable. Expensive Nike's, high alcohol consumption, and drug usage are way too often part of the lifestyle. As someone notes here, they buy cars that both buyer and seller know will be repoed within two months, wasting incredible amounts of money that could go towards necessities.

2. Once upon a time if you had $25 or $100 you could walk into a bank, open an account, and pick out your check pattern. For 25 years now almost all banks have a minimum creditworthiness to become a customer. Once, when I worked for a bank I was refused an account! This is the real reason all those payday loan and pawn shops have popped up like mushrooms after a rain.

3. Rent to owns are a rip, even the customers know that. But ego and desire overwhelm common sense. No RTO store has ever forced a poor customer to sign a contract, it's all voluntary.

4. I have had low income people ask me if they could have a computer free (I was rehabbing them) at the very same moment a cable installer was there to start a $60/mo habit.

5. Boy, how true about no grocery stores or gas stations nearby! Where I used to live has lost the one gas and repair station for miles around. And my insurance dropped $200 a year when I left the hood!

I guess I'm saying that there are some issues which are the poor's fault, and there are some issues that they can't help. Like so much in life, it ain't simple. As The Duke said, "Life's difficult, and being stupid makes it more difficult."


Here is one more:

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they manged to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, where they were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the carboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kinds of boot Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socio-economic unfairness.
--Terry Pratchett, Men At Arms, pg 35


For my next post I am going to give three or four (out of the hundreds of possible) examples of how to get out of the poorhouse. My only problem is that I am not ever good at following the advice I dish out. I don't think that changes the quality of the advice, though. Check back next time for some good pointers (backed by tried-and-true financial advisors).
 
Comments:
"Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, where they were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the carboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kinds of boot Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles."

I was about to make this point. I've known people to buy really cheap clothes (say, from Walmart) that just don't last, and they end up needing to buy them all over again very quickly. Let's say the article in question is a $13.99 shirt.

The person would be better off to purchase a $21.99 shirt at a store with better quality (note, not necessarily the next 'hot' retailer. For instance, Hollister's clothes disintegrate almost immediately). Better yet, that person could frequently find a sale for said shirt at around $9.99 to $14.99 thereby really coming out ahead of the $13.99 walMart shirt that will never go on sale.
 
For instance, Old Navy clothes are of a noticeable lower quality than sibling brands Gap and Banana Republic. Old Navy's sales consist of taking a $24.99 item and selling it for $19.99.

Banana Republic (and Gap) has been known to sell $84.99 items for $24.99, $19.99, and even $14.99.

The real trick, I guess, is being able to sale/clearance shop without looking like you bought everything that was on clearance (and on clearance for good reason).
 
I totally agree with Dave. Although lately I've been feeling like my wardrobe consists of random Clearance items that look like Clearance items and can't be worn together.

So, Jay...in your reading does it say what to do when you need a lot of money but can't seem to make enough ever. My finances are like Cingular rollover minutes. I really only have 1000 minutes a month but since I never use all of them I've accumulated over 5000 a month now. Unfortunately, in my situation this is played out in reverse.
 
That logic is hard to follow, Kelmo, but I think you are saying that you are using 5000 minutes a month when you are only allowed to use 1000 minutes. Right?
 
No, she has used 1500 a month for 10 months when she only gets 1000 a month, thus she's 5000 in the hole.
 
Ack-hah! Dave, that makes some sense. I'm sure that's what Kelmo's convoluted logic was intending to say.
 
Why do people who aren't poor need avdice like this..like YOU??
 
So we have two kinds up upward mobility. My generation or my kids' generation.

I've thought about this. My parents definitely sacrificed much of what they could have had to allow me (and my sibs) to be upwardly mobile.

I'd kind of like to do the same for my kids. And I guess I'm realizing that means NOT sending them to private school even though we live in one of the better districts around.

I never really thought I'd consider private schooling or anything like that, because I came from parents that would never have been able to make that reality come true for their kids. But the more the state and federal governments stick their ugly faces into education, the worse it gets. Standardized tests and whatnot. My arse.

I'm beginning to buy into that Italian guy's (Montessouri) way of thinking. Push the kids to excel at what they're passionate about. Expose them to everything and let them take their own path. It's really the only way society will ever develop leaders. Otherwise we have a society full of clones that all learned the same things at the same pace.
 
MARIA montessorri.........
a woman.

but it's one of those things that is a good theory but doesn't always work in real life. your child would need to be very self motivated in order to excell in a montessorri education. if all he wanted to do was scribble with crayons and eat glue, they would not push him to do anything else. but it is very good for prodigy children with sciences or music or arts.
ps-i'm working toward my masters in education
 
Donna, I'll give you a fantastic statistic. 50% of lottery winners that started out in the lower class or lower-middle class end up losing 90+% of their winnings within five years of winning. Less than 5% of those who started with money ever lose any of it (most make further gains).

What is the point? The point is that the mindset and the techniques are valid regardless of income or financial status. I bet you I could declare bankruptcy within a month of winning 100 million dollars if I spent it the exact wrong way. Therefore, upward mobility should ALWAYS be possible, no matter where you are right now.
 
upward mobility can't always be possible. what about tradegy? huge unexpected twists and turns in life. What was that movie with eddy murphy?

upward mobility may always be possible if you assume that you will always be making some money and always spending some money. If you make more than you spend you'll move up. But what if normal life costs more than what you have the ability to make? It's like trying to climb up a hill with slick shoes. You know you want to go up, you're doing everything you can to get there, but its just not happening and you look like a fool for trying.
 
Don't get into that way of arguing. That is the defeatists attitude and it is not something that can be directly argued against (since it cannot be proven either correct or incorrect).

Yes, there are some assumptions. It is assumed that you have some sort of income and that you have some expenses. The whole point is that there ARE ways to better your situation no matter what your situation is. It is not a quick fix. I heard that it might take 10 years of tenacious work and perfect planning to escape debt sometimes.
 
no really jason, try being unemployed for an extended season. You'll soon realize that it truely is impossible to ever get ahead. Not only will you not be able to get ahead but you'll be stuck forever behind. Sometimes in life, regardless of planning or managing, you really can't get ahead.
 
No, really, I firmly (100%) disagree with you. This isn't even a personal feeling. Remember, I **was** unemployed for 11 months and managed to make $250 dollars last for 5 months. That was ALL of my gas, entertainment, insurance bills, and food for 5 months (Obviously I didn't do much driving or entertainment, and I ate lots and lots of hotdogs, ramen, pasta, and free meals where I could get them).

Beside that, I'm not basing my feelings on what I managed to do. I count myself a lucky one.

I am basing this on statistical success based on living according to a financial plan. Even those with 5 kids who are on welfare can succeed with the right plan and work. After you are barely sticking your nose out of being "poor" you can apply methods by Dave Ramsey to gain wealth.
 
Ahh...I was going to mention Dave Ramsey, but Jason beat me to it. As Dave says personal finance is 20% knowledge and 80% behavior.
 
Here are some links that I believe will be interested
 
This site is one of the best I have ever seen, wish I had one like this.
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Really amazing! Useful information. All the best.
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Looking for information and found it at this great site... » »
 
What a great site » »
 
Re: the Montessorri Method

"your child would need to be very self motivated in order to excell in a montessorri education. if all he wanted to do was scribble with crayons and eat glue, they would not push him to do anything else. but it is very good for prodigy children with sciences or music or arts."

Maria Montessorri developed her methods using mentally disabled children and low income children in a housing project. They wouldn't let her experiment on "good" kids, until she proved it worked on the throw away ones.

Montessorri "toys" teach basic skills like math and writing.

Some schools claim to use the Montessorri method but really don't. The proper method doesn't "push" or "force" children to do things they don't want to do, it channels their natural inclination to explore and play to teach them. It doesn't just let them "scribble with crayons and eat glue".
 
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