Jason Moran
Friday, October 21, 2005
  In The Red
Debt is such a pain. When I was a new high school graduate I was in the black for the furthest amount I had ever been...over $2000 net personal worth. I bought a car for $1500 with 15 one hundered dollar bills. I just happened to have that cash sitting around in my sock drawer. Little did I know that that was the pinnacle of my net personal worth. Your current net worth is basically every asset you have (stuff, cars, house, investments, cash on hand, etc) minus your debts (mortgage, car payments, school loans, etc). Ever since the end of that summer I have gone further and further into the red. It started out with a $2500 bill after my freshman year of college. I got into snowboarding that year...so I spent most of my money on equipment and ended up broke going into the summer (without any jobs). That was the breaking point. Instead of floating around zero I plummeted and have never been able to recover. I lost my partial scholarship, so the following years had much bigger college loans (I finished with nearly $40,000 in school debt...even after paying thousands out of pocket every year).

I bought two cars this year, two cars that cost over $10,000 apiece. Now I am buying a house...that's going to be a lifetime of debt there. I haven't even covered credit card debt (mostly my wife's, since I actually only use my debit card).

In the end I just can't wait for the day when I look at what I have and what I owe and I actually have a positive net worth. It'll be great to be in the black. Once I get there the next goal will be to be 100% debt free. ...Someday
 
Comments:
Well, at least with your house, even though you have massive debt, you also have a value to that asset, and the difference is equity... a positive net worth factor.

Your cars probably figure out to be worth about $500 to $2000 "in the black" on your networth scale. Run some value figures at www.kbb.com or www.edmunds.com. Subtract out what you owe.

Student loans WILL disappear. And you have the luxury of being locked in to a forever low rate. Unlike me. My rates are variable, and it's starting to suck. No, I can't lock in. I have private loans. Ah, the joys of going to Grove City College, where not only can the College not take a penny of federal money, but no student can take a penny of federal money either. Stupid Feds. Stupid Title IX. Stupid Supreme Court. Oh wait, technically Grove City won both Supreme Court cases.
 
Your an American, It's your birthright to be in debt. Embrace it!
 
Wait until you sign the papers for the house. I remember signing all those papers and seeing a page or 2 about my total personal net worth being in the negative six figures. It's very discouraging, but if you can make your first house payment with no problems than you will be set.
 
When you buy a house, your personal net worth is (almost) never negative as a result of your house or mortgage! Your house has a positive value! Your networth can/will/does go up!

The national historic home appreciation rate is something like 4.1%/year. Lately it's been much higher. Hopefully we won't have a housing bubble.

Also, part of your payment goes to paying down the principle on the loan unless you're an American fool and go with an interest-only loan. This builds equity.

There's also the prospect of sweat equity. Doing improvements (well) on your own.

Finally, you get to deduct your primary residence mortgage interest from your gross income come tax time. I know for us, when we buy a house, it'll be the first time we have enough deductions to take anything more than the standard deduction.
 
What are you trying to say? So maybe it's not called personal networth, but our paperwork totaled everything we owed for student loans, cars and the house and it was it in the well into the negatives and listed on the paper.
 
yeah, I know...i've always only been able to use the standard deduction. Do you realize that if you are only doing the standard deduction (and are renting, no kids) then it is YOU who is paying the taxes for most of everybody else.
 
I guess he's going after true net worth. If you had to sell EVERYTHING you owned to pay off every debt you had...would you still be in debt or have extra money. That means you can sell your house...which will most likely sell for as much or more than you bought it for.

Therefore, buying a house usually means you aren't wasting your money.
 
I hate wasting monkeys.
 
exactly - only in renting do you waste money, but it was a necessary evil for a few years. No me gusta apartments.
 
Truth be told not only can renting be a necessary evil... it can be a good as well. If the price is right, and it enables you to sock away savings at a high rate that you can get a high return on, and you're content... all is well. Has to be the right market at the right time though.

Even then, it usually feels better to own.
 
"I don't know what we're yelling about. Loud voices! Loud voices!"

I love lamp.
 
Let's try to keep these posts on topic. Luckily for you, fake Kelmo, lamps are in homes and we were sort of talking about buying houses.
 
Right, but that equity, that net worth, counts for something. It's money you can leverage or borrow from. You can reverse mortgage. You can pass that worth onto your kids. Etcetera.
 
Yeah. What he said.
 
Newsflash....deductions for mortgage interest and state and local taxes on Schedule A may not be allowable in the near future according to new income tax regs that are currently being proposed. So the American homeowner is hit again. What this means is, almost everyone will be using the standard deduction. Although this information is not specifically about net worth, I thought it was relevant.
 
Holy crap, is that seriously a possibility? That's ludicrous. I just can't see that happening. Home ownership is vital to community well-being. A change like that could kick the snot out of my ability to own a home.
 
"In both versions, the home mortgage interest deduction would be replaced with a 15 percent credit for mortgage interest paid during the year. There would be a cap on the amount of mortgage eligible for the benefit. It would equal the Federal Housing Administration's loan limitation, which varies by region."
 
man, do i hear ya on that post. i am praying for supernatural unlocking of finances over this region and gold pouring in and breaking of the poverty cycle....truly. since buying a home, i find that worrying about money all the time can drive a person noticibly insane...
 
No joke, I can now see why finances are the number one strain on relationships. You hear that when you are young and you know that grown-ups say "money is tight" and all of that...but it doesn't really make a lot of sense. I explained it a little bit further to my cousin who is a high school freshman. Truly, while you are still living with mom and dad and they pay for home/food/utilities/everything and you have a little job in high school is when many people have the most excess money sitting around.
 
Is it just me, or does this Kelly seem a little fishy?
 
Fishy? Do you mean that the Kelly who posted on this site was the real Kelly and not the fake Kelly? Its true...my point was all of this financial crap is a bore, it makes no sense to me, just a lot of sound that my mind doesn't want to be bothered with.
 
Fish and visitors smell in three days.
 
I think the smell of fish can be directly attributed to various species of trout and sammon.
 
Zing! dave gets 2 points.
 
"Welcome to bobo-j-blogg, where everything is made up and the points don't matter!" (Reference: Whose Line Is It Anyway?)
 
I award you no points. May God have mercy on your soul.
 
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